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Re: Rewatch The Daleks

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 5:17 pm
by paulhickling
But the Thals are there in Nation's own Planet of the Daleks. Like they're part of the ongoing universal war against the Daleks. I'm surprised that the team in Death isn't a mixed group of Earth humans and Thals.

If the Daleks came out and destroyed them all on Skaro what was the point of the fight in The Daleks? Our heroes save the day for the Thals.

What we don't have are the details between the Daleks becoming a stellar superpower, and the Thals also becoming allies of those fighting them.

In other words how did the Daleks or the Thals get off Skaro. Was it abandoned by both races? Did the Daleks somehow survive what happened in The Daleks and gain power again? Just what happened? Loads of stories have the Daleks the masters of Skaro in the end, Classic Series and new. Then again, Destiny has Skaro as a planet abandoned by the Daleks with no Thal in sight.

Btw. I also used to want to have the Susan issue sorted. But one thing I DO NOT WANT is for the current crowd in charge to give us the answers to these questions, and so I fear I'll never be satisfied.

Re: Rewatch The Daleks

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 12:46 am
by LizR
paulhickling wrote:But the Thals are there in Nation's own Planet of the Daleks. Like they're part of the ongoing universal war against the Daleks. I'm surprised that the team in Death isn't a mixed group of Earth humans and Thals.

If the Daleks came out and destroyed them all on Skaro what was the point of the fight in The Daleks? Our heroes save the day for the Thals.

What we don't have are the details between the Daleks becoming a stellar superpower, and the Thals also becoming allies of those fighting them.

In other words how did the Daleks or the Thals get off Skaro. Was it abandoned by both races? Did the Daleks somehow survive what happened in The Daleks and gain power again? Just what happened? Loads of stories have the Daleks the masters of Skaro in the end, Classic Series and new. Then again, Destiny has Skaro as a planet abandoned by the Daleks with no Thal in sight.

Btw. I also used to want to have the Susan issue sorted. But one thing I DO NOT WANT is for the current crowd in charge to give us the answers to these questions, and so I fear I'll never be satisfied.
I do find it interesting to speculate, though. Keeping the backstory somewhat mysterious and even self-contradictory is fine by me, in fact I would say it adds extra interest.

The BBC's first history of the Daleks manages to explain everything rather cleverly... basically some Daleks left Skaro before the events of "The Daleks", which means the Doctor managed to wipe out the ones that stayed behind. Plus lots more cunning to-ing and fro-ing to weave together all the stories up until "Genesis" (after which the Doctor changed history, and events followed the second history of the Daleks - in which the Daleks may quite possibly have wiped out the Thals, so the Doctor's intervention to help save the rest of the universe came at a price.)

The Susan issue is between whether Susan was a Time Lord or a human who only believed she was the Doctor's granddaughter. Or whether Time Lords are in fact human, more evolved or biologically engineered, in which case both the above. I agree that I don't want the current lot "explaining" this, or indeed anything - well, apart from resolving a story they've written themselves, though even that seems to often be beyond them.

Re: Rewatch The Daleks

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 4:23 pm
by paulhickling
I'm happy enough to not worry about the details, but for my money I want the Thals out there among the stars with other humanoids, who are constantly waging war with the Daleks. They are their oldest enemies and should stay that way. So Planet scores mightily with this.

I also don't want every Dalek story to be some sort of sequel. To me, The Doctor comes across his old enemy at various parts of their history (his and theirs) and sorts out the problem at hand knowing full well, there'll never be a (final) end.

Into the Dalek was refreshing because it presents a time where the Daleks are a constant threat, and humans and others (eg THALS!!) are constantly thwarting them....but there's always another story. The worst thing to me is any story that tries to do any kind of start or end. The bad boys should be out there waiting to be beaten at the next encounter with our heroes. The only thing writers need to come up with is entertaining stories. Please do not feel the need to reboot every time. Sadly every showrunner has to 'make his mark' and it's BORING.

Re: Rewatch The Daleks

Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 8:18 pm
by shuzbot
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Re: Rewatch The Daleks

Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 6:22 pm
by Black Orchid