Rate "Heaven Sent"

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Rate "Heaven Sent"

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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby LizR » Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:22 am

feline1 wrote:
LizR wrote:So it was 2 billion years, right? Say the events we saw took 3 days, so 100 reincarnations / year over 2 billion years = 2 trillion incarnations*, each one hitting the wall say 10 times is 20 trillion hits. How many atoms do you knock off each time? I leave it as an exercise to the student to do the maths, but I think he should have used (say) a handy spade to make it more credible, because there are a LOT of atoms in a glass of water, even, never mind a rather thick looking very very very strong wall. Mere stone I could believe him slowly tunnelling through, but super-diamond?
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Indeed, to get an idea of the order of magnitude, the "Avogadro number" is 6 x 10^23.
This is the number of carbon atoms in 12 grams of carbon (a "mole" of atoms). And we probably have a few tonnes of the stuff.
So, if the thing he was punching had been made of diamond (pure carbon) and he was hitting it 20 "trillion" times ( 20 x 10^12 ?), then it's fairly clear we are orders of magnitude away from "punching a hole" in it, if he only removed a few atoms each time.

Yes, Moffat just failed GCSE chemistry. :x

I will have to check with my son as to how many carbon atoms one might remove per punch. He's in the top 30 pupils in chemistry for his age in New Zealand*, apparently.

*Yes I know, but it's still rather good.
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby LizR » Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:16 am

Although the diamond question is interesting and would no doubt make a good exam question, it seems far more likely to me that over (say) 2 x 10^12 incarnations, on one occasion he wouldn't make it back to the teleporter, and that would be the end. The chances of things going exactly the same way each time over that number of iterations, even given the resetting of him and the environment (except for the stars) seems to me fairly remote.
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby shuzbot » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:12 am

This will probably sound a bit silly, but I was watching Heaven Sent, yesterday, and something I couldn't put my finger on was bothering me. A weird sense of deja vu. Then it clicked. The castle, the trials, it reminded me of Sherlock's season finale. You know, the one we just had. I don't remember it particularly well but is just this a superficial similarity or are there other comparisons that could be drawn here?
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby LizR » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:55 am

Being trapped in some situation and having to go through various trials to escape?

Reminds me of Dr No Sherlock, yes.
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby shuzbot » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:12 am

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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby Natalia » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:16 pm

Repetitive. Repetitive. Repetitive. Repetitive. 4.
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby The Wooksta! » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:46 pm

You're entitled to an opinion, despite it being quite, quite wrong. Only the ending is repetitive and even that is explained.

It's quite simply a tour de force for Capaldi and he's not bettered his performance here, except perhaps in "The Doctor Falls".

Murray Gold's music has never ever been particularly good but his score here is sublime, especially the final five minutes (Breaking the Wall).

It really is a superb episode, quite likely the best Moffat has written/helmed.
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby iank » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:27 pm

Possibly the single most boring thing ever, save that 12 hour film of paint drying. :D
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby Bowtiesarecool » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:46 pm

iank wrote:Possibly the single most boring thing ever, save that 12 hour film of paint drying. :D


I'll be watching that at Christmas. ;)
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby The Ginger Cat » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:49 pm

Heaven Sent script is up on the BBC Writers Room if wanna have a bog at it.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/writersroom/ ... n-Sent.pdf
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:41 am

Finally got around to rewatching this one.
I remember "what was going on" from watching it on transmission, so the initial sense of mystery and bafflement didn't come into play here.
Instead I was left with a "I guess is fairly atmospheric" - but the "two billion" years thing just spoilt it for me. If it had been a dozen or a hundred, then yeah - but instead it just seem hyperbolic and silly.
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby paulhickling » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:50 pm

feline1 wrote:Finally got around to rewatching this one.
I remember "what was going on" from watching it on transmission, so the initial sense of mystery and bafflement didn't come into play here.
Instead I was left with a "I guess is fairly atmospheric" - but the "two billion" years thing just spoilt it for me. If it had been a dozen or a hundred, then yeah - but instead it just seem hyperbolic and silly.


Totally agree. RTD used to stuff about billions of years I seem to remember too. Annoyingly silly to my mind. We know Who is a fantasy, but sometimes they really go too far. Now then a female Doctor...
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby The Wooksta! » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:10 pm

Interesting review here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtlKi2pFOd4

Well worth checking out his other reviews too.
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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

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The Ginger Cat wrote:Rate Ep11 "Heaven Sent".




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Re: Rate "Heaven Sent"

Postby LizR » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:23 am

Natalia wrote:Repetitive. Repetitive. Repetitive. Repetitive. 4.

More repetitive than that! 4 billion times...
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