SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby LizR » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:04 am

The Nimon wrote:Aren't the Bourne films just a poor rip off of the Bond films? Even his name, Jason Bourne, or JB is a rip off.

Is there a bit where Bond loses his memory? (I must have forgotten...)
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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby bobmcpherson » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:20 am

feline1 wrote::lol: yes, when he's recovering in hospital. Mathis tells him not to be so silly. But it doesn't read like Fleming put it in as the opinion of a madman, just that of a realist.


To respond to 2 separate posts.

1) Bond loses his memory at the end of YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and the beginning of THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN.

2) Feline. I would put that quote in the context in which it is said. How would YOU feel if someone just bashed your binky with a rug beater and now they want you to go out into the field again? Bond is feeling dispirited about the Struggle. Only after.....ah....spoilers....the novel's shocking conclusion does he realize the Evil of Red herring and the need to take up the gauntlet again. Though I think Fleming was trying for a Mickey Spillane type last line too.

I have encountered people who justify the Craig Bond by quoting that "Bond is a blunt instrument" and therefore Fleming would approve. The problem there is the quote is from Ernest Stavro Blofeld in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE who besides being a multiple murderer is probably insane at that point. So the quote is not to be taken as Fleming himself but as Fleming portraying a mass murdering maniac. It makes a difference.

SO ergo that Bond quote has be taken that only someone who has had their genitalia practically destroyed could ever possibly like the Craig films.

And last I looked......wait a moment.....yes....I am in good shape so I do not like the Craig Bond. Now maybe if you beat me in the groin with a rug beater, I might change my mind but isn't that a sorry commentary of the current Bonds??

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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby LizR » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:45 am

bobmcpherson wrote:Bond loses his memory at the end of YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and the beginning of THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN.

OK, thanks.
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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby Allons-y » Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:28 am

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bobmcpherson wrote:And another problem with the Craig films can be summed up by stating they are just retreads of the Jason Bourne films.....................

Except that they aren't. They're both action films which feature spies (and they're hardly unique in this aspect) and that's about where the similarities end, I really do wonder if you've seen some of the stuff you criticize.


Aren't the Bourne films just a poor rip off of the Bond films? Even his name, Jason Bourne, or JB is a rip off.

Well Bond obviously inspired the Jason Bourne series (JB, spy, etc etc), but the stories are really quite different, and while I enjoy both they aren't directly comparable, although I prefer Bourne slightly.
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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:27 pm

But Bond's genitalia WEREN'T practically destroyed - he was up and shagging Vesper Lynd again within a few weeks :lol:

I have to also say that I feel the film of Casino Royale (the EON one) is a marvellous adaptation of the book.
It has the exact same essential story, just told again in a different time and place.
The setting of the book (a France seaside resort in the early 1950s, communist baddies) is completely irrelevant, so you can swop the settings (Bahamas, Montenegro) and who the baddies are (Ugandan terrorists, Mr White's spooky lot) and tell the exact same story. It's - dare I say it - very cleverly done.
It takes everything that was exciting and dramatic about Fleming's book and puts it in a setting that works for a modern audience.
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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby LizR » Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:42 pm

feline1 wrote:But Bond's genitalia WEREN'T practically destroyed - he was up and shagging Vesper Lynd again within a few weeks :lol:

I have to also say that I feel the film of Casino Royale (the EON one) is a marvellous adaptation of the book.
It has the exact same essential story, just told again in a different time and place.
The setting of the book (a France seaside resort in the early 1950s, communist baddies) is completely irrelevant, so you can swop the settings (Bahamas, Montenegro) and who the baddies are (Ugandan terrorists, Mr White's spooky lot) and tell the exact same story. It's - dare I say it - very cleverly done.
It takes everything that was exciting and dramatic about Fleming's book and puts it in a setting that works for a modern audience.

It also does something better, IMHO, with the novel's slightly limp ending (if you'll pardon the expression. I can say the ending wasn't up to scratch compared to the rest of the novel because I have discovered I'm not the only one who thought so - apparently some guy called Ian Fleming agrees with me on that one).

Maybe the movie overcompensated, like a guy buying a sports car ... but the only thing that really didn't work for me was Mr Craig as Bond. He seemed far too wooden.

Or maybe I just need to rewatch it.
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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby Allons-y » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:26 pm

LizR wrote:
feline1 wrote:But Bond's genitalia WEREN'T practically destroyed - he was up and shagging Vesper Lynd again within a few weeks :lol:

I have to also say that I feel the film of Casino Royale (the EON one) is a marvellous adaptation of the book.
It has the exact same essential story, just told again in a different time and place.
The setting of the book (a France seaside resort in the early 1950s, communist baddies) is completely irrelevant, so you can swop the settings (Bahamas, Montenegro) and who the baddies are (Ugandan terrorists, Mr White's spooky lot) and tell the exact same story. It's - dare I say it - very cleverly done.
It takes everything that was exciting and dramatic about Fleming's book and puts it in a setting that works for a modern audience.

It also does something better, IMHO, with the novel's slightly limp ending (if you'll pardon the expression. I can say the ending wasn't up to scratch compared to the rest of the novel because I have discovered I'm not the only one who thought so - apparently some guy called Ian Fleming agrees with me on that one).

Maybe the movie overcompensated, like a guy buying a sports car ... but the only thing that really didn't work for me was Mr Craig as Bond. He seemed far too wooden.

Or maybe I just need to rewatch it.

you do, he's great as Bond.
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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:19 pm

If Roger Moore can be Bond, practically anyone can...
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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby The Ginger Cat » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:38 am

The final trailer for "Spectre". Same old, same old I guess ~ More blowing sh*t up 'n' stuff. Even Daniel Craig looks as bored as armholes.

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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby Allons-y » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:17 am

looks really good to me!
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Re: SPECTRE and other James Bond stuff

Postby bobmcpherson » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:03 pm

The Ginger Cat wrote:The final trailer for "Spectre". Same old, same old I guess ~ More blowing sh*t up 'n' stuff. Even Daniel Craig looks as bored as armholes.



I saw that trailer. It sent me from being vaguely curious to not caring at all. It looked so dull. What is the deal with having Bond villains being pale lisping effete northern European types? This will be the fourth in a row and not only are they NOT formidable looking BUT they are zen state inducing. AND I am tired of the villains being on first name basis with Bond.

Craig looks bored and I have never got the love affair with Waltz..........
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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby Wayne Gibbous » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:37 pm

david_gregory wrote:I propose we all hop on a coach and go and see a 4k digital cinema showing of the new Bond film, SPECTRE :-)


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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby SaintBobby » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:27 pm

Ford's 'German' Sockie wrote:
david_gregory wrote:I propose we all hop on a coach and go and see a 4k digital cinema showing of the new Bond film, SPECTRE :-)


There was only one good Bond movie.


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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby Jacksen C Frame » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:52 pm

Ford's 'German' Sockie wrote:
david_gregory wrote:I propose we all hop on a coach and go and see a 4k digital cinema showing of the new Bond film, SPECTRE :-)


There was only one good Bond movie.


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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby iank » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:58 pm

Moonraker is perhaps the greatest motion picture ever made. :D
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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby LizR » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:12 pm

Ford's 'German' Sockie wrote:
david_gregory wrote:I propose we all hop on a coach and go and see a 4k digital cinema showing of the new Bond film, SPECTRE :-)


There was only one good Bond movie.

That would be "Goldfinger" I assume? Greatest theme tune evah (if slightly reminiscent of Moon river).
And "You only live twice", of course. Script by Roald Dahl, set the pattern for countless remakes (and parodies)
And FRWL, that goes without saying.

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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby Wayne Gibbous » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:36 pm

LizR wrote:
Ford's 'German' Sockie wrote:There was only one good Bond movie.

That would be "Goldfinger" I assume? Greatest theme tune evah (if slightly reminiscent of Moon river).
And "You only live twice", of course. Script by Roald Dahl, set the pattern for countless remakes (and parodies)
And FRWL, that goes without saying.


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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby The Wooksta! » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:45 pm

No, it was "On Her Majesties' Secret Service".



Saw it some years back at the thirtieth anniversary of it's release. Love that film and the book is even better. Certainly one of the best of the Flemming books.
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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby Primal Fear » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:47 pm

Ford's 'German' Sockie wrote:
LizR wrote:
Ford's 'German' Sockie wrote:There was only one good Bond movie.

That would be "Goldfinger" I assume? Greatest theme tune evah (if slightly reminiscent of Moon river).
And "You only live twice", of course. Script by Roald Dahl, set the pattern for countless remakes (and parodies)
And FRWL, that goes without saying.


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Film / IMDB rating / Rotten Tomatoes Tomatometer / Rotten Tomatoes Audience Score

Goldfinger / 7.8 / 96% / 89%
From Russia With Love / 7.5 / 96% / 83%
You Only Live Twice / 6.9 / 73% / 69%
Moonraker / 6.3 / 59% / 43%


Casino Royale (2006) 8.0 / 95% / 89%
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Re: Ongoing Omni-Rumour Discussion Part 2

Postby mister klf » Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:16 am

Ford's 'German' Sockie wrote:
david_gregory wrote:I propose we all hop on a coach and go and see a 4k digital cinema showing of the new Bond film, SPECTRE :-)


There was only one good Bond movie.


Moonraker 8-)
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