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The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:14 pm
by ericthehalfabee
After being bombarded with recommendations, I’ve just bought this.

More to follow. In the meantime, fill your boots.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:40 pm
by Martin_Kinsella
ericthehalfabee wrote:After being bombarded with recommendations, I’ve just bought this.

More to follow. In the meantime, fill your boots.



It’s a really worthwhile piece of TV. The creator died in mysterious circumstances too. Feeding a few consirpacy theories.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:38 pm
by The Wooksta!
Eric, you could have saved a few bob - much of the series is on Youtube! I've just skipped through the first episode, spotting Phillip Latham and Olaf Pooley.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:40 pm
by The Wooksta!
Interesting out-take

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3q6z3i7Zw

Titles and clip from the same episode. Interesting to note that Roy Budd did the theme music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=286tbgiIaUE

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:41 pm
by ericthehalfabee
The Wooksta! wrote:Eric, you could have saved a few bob - much of the series is on Youtube! I've just skipped through the first episode, spotting Phillip Latham and Olaf Pooley.


I like to have physical copies. Otherwise I'd have to concentrate on paying for boring stuff like the mortgage.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:57 pm
by The Wooksta!
I see your point and I feel the same way, but sometimes it pays to watch an episode or two before risking hard earned wadge!

Review from The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... set-review

Background for the lazy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandbaggers

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:33 pm
by Hartnell's Wig
The Wooksta! wrote:I see your point and I feel the same way, but sometimes it pays to watch an episode or two before risking hard earned wadge!

Review from The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... set-review

DON'T read that unless you want the major event of series one totally spoiled.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:38 pm
by ericthehalfabee
Hartnell's Wig wrote:
The Wooksta! wrote:I see your point and I feel the same way, but sometimes it pays to watch an episode or two before risking hard earned wadge!

Review from The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... set-review

DON'T read that unless you want the major event of series one totally spoiled.


Ta.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:01 pm
by StarQuake
Most of the stories are like little mysteries - why is this person or that organisation acting the way they are? And they feel so credible, too.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:08 pm
by Yartek
ericthehalfabee wrote:
The Wooksta! wrote:Eric, you could have saved a few bob - much of the series is on Youtube! I've just skipped through the first episode, spotting Phillip Latham and Olaf Pooley.


I like to have physical copies. Otherwise I'd have to concentrate on paying for boring stuff like the mortgage.


And of course there are the extras including Roy Marsden in an episode of “Crown Court”.

Oh damn! I said it. Please don’t ban me! :cry:

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:14 pm
by ericthehalfabee
Yartek wrote:
ericthehalfabee wrote:
The Wooksta! wrote:Eric, you could have saved a few bob - much of the series is on Youtube! I've just skipped through the first episode, spotting Phillip Latham and Olaf Pooley.


I like to have physical copies. Otherwise I'd have to concentrate on paying for boring stuff like the mortgage.


And of course there are the extras including Roy Marsden in an episode of “Crown Court”.

Oh damn! I said it. Please don’t ban me! :cry:


:lol:

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:15 pm
by Spam Fritter
Martin_Kinsella wrote:
ericthehalfabee wrote:After being bombarded with recommendations, I’ve just bought this.

More to follow. In the meantime, fill your boots.



It’s a really worthwhile piece of TV. The creator died in mysterious circumstances too. Feeding a few consirpacy theories.



It is quite mysterious, and rumours he was linked to MI6.

Macintosh was a solid writer with at least a foot in the secret service camp.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:57 am
by ericthehalfabee
The Wooksta! wrote:Eric, you could have saved a few bob - much of the series is on Youtube! I've just skipped through the first episode, spotting Phillip Latham and Olaf Pooley.


I watched half of episode 1 last night, although I quickly realised I was too tired to do it justice so I'm saving the rest for tonight.

Not seen Latham yet, but Pat Gorman was there I think - right at the start he's the chap who was trailed to the Norwegian embassy. I'm also going to find it very hard to take Richard Vernon seriously due to his role in Yes Minister :lol:

I can tell instantly I'm going to love this - well written, plausible and gritty.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:13 pm
by Martin_Kinsella
Spam Fritter wrote:
Martin_Kinsella wrote:
ericthehalfabee wrote:After being bombarded with recommendations, I’ve just bought this.

More to follow. In the meantime, fill your boots.



It’s a really worthwhile piece of TV. The creator died in mysterious circumstances too. Feeding a few consirpacy theories.



It is quite mysterious, and rumours he was linked to MI6.

Macintosh was a solid writer with at least a foot in the secret service camp.


Warship, which he co created, Is also really worth watching, not as good as Sandbaggers but has its moments,

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:33 pm
by ericthehalfabee
Martin_Kinsella wrote:
Spam Fritter wrote:
Martin_Kinsella wrote:
ericthehalfabee wrote:After being bombarded with recommendations, I’ve just bought this.

More to follow. In the meantime, fill your boots.



It’s a really worthwhile piece of TV. The creator died in mysterious circumstances too. Feeding a few consirpacy theories.



It is quite mysterious, and rumours he was linked to MI6.

Macintosh was a solid writer with at least a foot in the secret service camp.


Warship, which he co created, Is also really worth watching, not as good as Sandbaggers but has its moments,


Does that exist in full?

A mate of mine recommended Redcap too - sadly missing a lot of the second series.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:03 pm
by Martin_Kinsella
ericthehalfabee wrote:
Martin_Kinsella wrote:
Spam Fritter wrote:
Martin_Kinsella wrote:
ericthehalfabee wrote:After being bombarded with recommendations, I’ve just bought this.

More to follow. In the meantime, fill your boots.



It’s a really worthwhile piece of TV. The creator died in mysterious circumstances too. Feeding a few consirpacy theories.



It is quite mysterious, and rumours he was linked to MI6.

Macintosh was a solid writer with at least a foot in the secret service camp.


Warship, which he co created, Is also really worth watching, not as good as Sandbaggers but has its moments,


Does that exist in full?

A mate of mine recommended Redcap too - sadly missing a lot of the second series.


Yes it does but only series 1 and 2 on DVD. Series 3 and 4 where shown by Gold many years ago.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:29 pm
by ericthehalfabee
Episode 1 done.

Burnside when offered a drink by the villain: "Herr Torvik, if I had a glass in my hand at this moment, I'd shove it in your throat." :lol:

I'll have to remember that when the boss next asks me for a drink. :lol:

Well I really enjoyed that. Great cast, great dialogue and the sort of dry, no-nonsense plot that makes it all plausible, with no-nonsense British spies being all low key and British. Reminiscent in that sense of Tinker Tailor, only I was really pleasantly surprised when they actually showed the mission into Russia (or Wales or wherever they filmed it) - plane, parachuting, the target exploding etc. Then I remembered it wasn't the BBC!

I also liked the politics - no fannying about aluding to "the minister" as you might get with Bond - this was straight to the foreign secretary and the PM, with clearly explained ramifications for arms deals and international relations, with everyone stabbing each other in the back/face.

Great stuff.

Oh and Wooksta!, still no Philip Latham... any chance you're thinking of Alan MacNaughtan?

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Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:57 pm
by iank
I bought this a while back, but have only just started it, based largely on this thread. Pretty good so far. I always liked Roy Marsden.
Him being Burnside is a bit odd, though, I keep expecting Frank to turn up! :D

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:08 am
by ericthehalfabee
Episode 2 done.

Well I've come away from this one feeling it's a bit more Callan-esque. Switch Burnside for Callan (the disillusioned killer with a conscience) and merge the three bosses to be Hunter...

Anyway - it was great. Every bugger's a hypocrite in this aren't they! Episode 1 it was the Americans and the Norwegians. Then in this one it's the government and Burnside. I loved the juxtaposition of the two cases: the African dictator they're not willing to kill because killing people just isn't on, and the defector the government are willing to kill to save embarrassment for the government if he doesn't come quietly. Then the other hypocrisy: Burnside willing to have Caine kill the defector because Caine is absolutely the right man for the job, but then not willing to send Caine to kill the dictator because there's a promotion in the offing.

I've now got the hang of the hierarchy and I've got used to the face that Richard Vernon's "C" isn't the idiot banker in Yes Minister. Roy Marsden and Alan MacNaughtan are excellent, as is Ray Lonnen. I'm not so keen on Vernon and Jerome Willis yet. I loved all the banter at the start about coffee and marriage. You wouldn't see that these days.

It looks like they blew the series budget in episode 1 - no planes this time, just a bit of creaky stock footage of Vienna and some street signs in forn.

Oh and DW watch - Laurence Payne this time.

Re: The Sandbaggers

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:19 am
by Hartnell's Wig
You have so much good stuff to come and I don't want to ruin anything, but the relationship between Burnside and his secretary is wonderful as it goes along. That first secretary is the sexiest woman in it IMO, even when Diane Keen and Sue Holderness come along later.