Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:09 am

TIME CRASH

Car crash, more like! Oh dear. :oops:

This season ("series 4" for the n00bs ;) ) starts with a Children in Need "Special" again.... it's that 5 minute sketch when Tennant meets Peter Davison. It's written by Moffat, and having just watched it, I rather wished they hadn't bothered.
It's just 5 minutes of rather crap/unfunny/bordering-on-snide fanwank in-jokes, mostly requiring Davison to be "indignant" on the "hilarious" (and completely unconvincing) premise that he doesn't recognise who Tennant is. Marginally better than that Colin Baker/Jimmy Savile sketch, it's the sort of humour that might appeal to kids under the age of 7.... except kids under the age of 7 won't have a clue who Davison is...

Then it ends by ditching the crap fan-jokes for crap fan-sentimentalism with with the even more cringeable "I loved being you"/"You were *my* Doctor" bit.

I guess it's "just for charity" but I'd have paid money for them NOT to broadcast it :lol:
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:20 am

THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE IN SPACE WITH KYLIE MINOGUE IN IT (aka "VOYAGE OF THE DAMNED")

Xmas Special 2007! Written by RTD! Actually I found this really rather enjoyable.
I think you have to cut a little bit of slack for these Christmas Specials, but basically the plot is fine (in that it's The Poseidon Adventure - I've always loved slightly-rubbish 70s disaster movies :D ) and there's some real gems in the cast - Geoffrey Palmer (only a small role for him, but always good), Clive Swift is marvellous as ever, and Kylie is absolutely fine, a perfectly decent actress (I don't think I've seen her in anything since that one in the 80s where she kicked her knickers off), and that Midshipman Frame fella ... there's even, er, Bernard Cribbens :?
The crash-dive on Buckingham Palace is of course absurd, but I think you've gotta take it in the context of a post-prandial family having a laff round the telly on Christmas Day.
Clive Swift's continual daft misinterpretations of Earth Culture are exceeding droll and well played, and his character gets a lovely sendoff.
The James Bond bit where the posh-tit guy asks Tennant "who the hell ARE you??" and he goes into slow-mo flames-backdrop grainy "I'm blah blah blah superhero" will doubtless rile some fans, but again, I think it's amusing enough for Christmas Day.

Basically I give this one the thumbs up as a well-crafted piece of family viewing, much like the genuinely amusing Runaway Bride. One of RTD's better contributions.
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby Allons-y » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:24 pm

feline1 wrote:TIME CRASH

Car crash, more like! Oh dear. :oops:

This season ("series 4" for the n00bs ;) ) starts with a Children in Need "Special" again.... it's that 5 minute sketch when Tennant meets Peter Davison. It's written by Moffat, and having just watched it, I rather wished they hadn't bothered.
It's just 5 minutes of rather crap/unfunny/bordering-on-snide fanwank in-jokes, mostly requiring Davison to be "indignant" on the "hilarious" (and completely unconvincing) premise that he doesn't recognise who Tennant is. Marginally better than that Colin Baker/Jimmy Savile sketch, it's the sort of humour that might appeal to kids under the age of 7.... except kids under the age of 7 won't have a clue who Davison is...

Then it ends by ditching the crap fan-jokes for crap fan-sentimentalism with with the even more cringeable "I loved being you"/"You were *my* Doctor" bit.

I guess it's "just for charity" but I'd have paid money for them NOT to broadcast it :lol:

I love Time Crash! It's very nearly perfect
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby Allons-y » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:26 pm

feline1 wrote:THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE IN SPACE WITH KYLIE MINOGUE IN IT (aka "VOYAGE OF THE DAMNED")

Xmas Special 2007! Written by RTD! Actually I found this really rather enjoyable.
I think you have to cut a little bit of slack for these Christmas Specials, but basically the plot is fine (in that it's The Poseidon Adventure - I've always loved slightly-rubbish 70s disaster movies :D ) and there's some real gems in the cast - Geoffrey Palmer (only a small role for him, but always good), Clive Swift is marvellous as ever, and Kylie is absolutely fine, a perfectly decent actress (I don't think I've seen her in anything since that one in the 80s where she kicked her knickers off), and that Midshipman Frame fella ... there's even, er, Bernard Cribbens :?
The crash-dive on Buckingham Palace is of course absurd, but I think you've gotta take it in the context of a post-prandial family having a laff round the telly on Christmas Day.
Clive Swift's continual daft misinterpretations of Earth Culture are exceeding droll and well played, and his character gets a lovely sendoff.
The James Bond bit where the posh-tit guy asks Tennant "who the hell ARE you??" and he goes into slow-mo flames-backdrop grainy "I'm blah blah blah superhero" will doubtless rile some fans, but again, I think it's amusing enough for Christmas Day.

Basically I give this one the thumbs up as a well-crafted piece of family viewing, much like the genuinely amusing Runaway Bride. One of RTD's better contributions.

Good to see Geoffrey Palmer making a return after Doctor Who and the Silurians


Edit: turns out he was also in The Mutants, I'd forgotten that
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:44 pm

Geoffrey Palmer has basically been in EVERYTHING. And rightly so.

As for Time Crash - auch, basically, it's a comedy sketch for charity. Fine. I just didn't actually find it very funny! But I'm not about to lose my sh*t over it ;)
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:25 pm

Oh I also forgot to mention that, for VOYAGE OF THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE IN SPACE, Murray Gold has "revamped" the theme tune, giving it all these "glam rock" drums and rhythmgeetars. Oh murray! :cow:
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby shuzbot » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:31 pm

Has anybody noticed how 'Max Capricorn' (from 'Voyage of the Damned') and 'Lady Cassandra' are basically the same character. Part human entities that want to destroy the ship they are on and both bought shares in rival companies to profit from their destruction by design?
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Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:32 am

Now you come to mention it... yes! But done of course the two *extreeeemely* different ways 8-)
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby LizR » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:32 am

shuzbot wrote:Has anybody noticed how 'Max Capricorn' (from 'Voyage of the Damned') and 'Lady Cassandra' are basically the same character. Part human entities that want to destroy the ship they are on and both bought shares in rival companies to profit from their destruction by design?

I think you'll find a lot of common elements in RTD's stories.
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby Flying Tiger Comics » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:43 am

feline1 wrote:THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE IN SPACE WITH KYLIE MINOGUE IN IT (aka "VOYAGE OF THE DAMNED")



Totally agree with your review of this one.

Makes an interesting contrast with Swift's work in Revelation of the Daleks too. :)

Does anyone know, is it true that Clive Swift wasn't too complimentary this time round ie he was dismissive about his appearance in Voyage?
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby paulhickling » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:16 am

feline1 wrote:Oh I also forgot to mention that, for VOYAGE OF THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE IN SPACE, Murray Gold has "revamped" the theme tune, giving it all these "glam rock" drums and rhythmgeetars. Oh murray! :cow:


Compared to the present Murray theme it's a classic. It has punch and drive, and sounds like a rather cool rock version, instead of the weedy screeching of the Capaldi version. Sometimes wonder if the 'tougher' sound matches Eccleston's 'tougher' Doctor more, mind. I suppose Series 1 was too early to tamper with the classic sound too much.

VotD sits very low on my Who Christmas (Special) list though. I warmed to Runaway Bride on re-viewing after Tate's stirling work in the series proper, but Voyage was yet another of RTD's let's-do-a-popular-movie-genre-as-Who, and a such rather dull to me. Christmas Invasion and The Next Doctor are both general audience pleasing but with plenty of Who-ness to please most fans, the best combination I think. Of course VotD does have Cribbins and that speech you mentioned from Diddy David. Loved that bit, I thought it was a neat Ten version of Tom B's similar mouthful (can't remember the stories but I'm sure he does it in those Aussie Computer ads).

And it's also the best rated Special (episode even?) due no doubt to the presence of it's biggest guest star. All the more surprising then they didn't do some Kylie-Murray mash-up aimed at the pop charts. Odd that RTD and the Beeb missed that sure-fire way of upping Who's profile.
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Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:04 pm

Flying Tiger Comics wrote:Does anyone know, is it true that Clive Swift wasn't too complimentary this time round ie he was dismissive about his appearance in Voyage?


I never heard that... indeed I'm surprised than actor with his track record would bother to be that much of a bitch about a job - I suspect that mere fan shitstirring ;)
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Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:06 pm

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Compared to the present Murray theme it's a classic. It has punch and drive, and sounds like a rather cool rock version, instead of the weedy screeching of the Capaldi version.



Yes I agree, it *was* quite punchy - although the main problem remained that the bassline was utterly emasculated! It's the bassline that is the most bad-ass in all previous incarnations (and was totally stupid in the Delaware version, being the main reason for its risibility and abandonment)
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby paulhickling » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:12 pm

That baseline has been disappearing for some time. It seriously needs beefing back up. One of the worst offenders was the second half of Series 7. The theme seriously undermined the pre-title cliff-hangers. I particularly hated the Ice Warrior one. The punch out of the ice totally ruined by a theme that sounded SO weedy.
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:14 pm

The Murray Gold theme tune has always basically been complete balls, to be blunt. I do loose track a bit, but -

The Season 27 Ecclestone version is mixed really wierdly on the 5.1 surround for the DVDs, it's totally narrow and quiet compared to all the dialogue and sounds before and after it. And it's just a kinda anaemic Disney version of the tune anyways.

For Season 28, they at least added the middle 8 back into the closing theme, which was nice, and there were more string lines, which were OK (although still not helping with the basic deficiencies).

This Season 31 revamp, although kicking ass slightly more, is still aiming for "rollicking". The Doctor Who theme tune is not meant to be "rollicking", it's meant to be strange, unearthly, weird, scary even.
I guess those RTD had simply urged Murray to go that way because whilst Ecclestone was often hard as iron, Tennant was totally the personification of a gleeful "WAHEYYYY! WE BROUGHT DOCTOR WHO BACK!!! It's a MASSIVE SUCCESS!!! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby Allons-y » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:29 am

feline1 wrote:The Murray Gold theme tune has always basically been complete balls, to be blunt. I do loose track a bit, but -

The Season 27 Ecclestone version is mixed really wierdly on the 5.1 surround for the DVDs, it's totally narrow and quiet compared to all the dialogue and sounds before and after it. And it's just a kinda anaemic Disney version of the tune anyways.

For Season 28, they at least added the middle 8 back into the closing theme, which was nice, and there were more string lines, which were OK (although still not helping with the basic deficiencies).

This Season 31 revamp, although kicking ass slightly more, is still aiming for "rollicking". The Doctor Who theme tune is not meant to be "rollicking", it's meant to be strange, unearthly, weird, scary even.
I guess those RTD had simply urged Murray to go that way because whilst Ecclestone was often hard as iron, Tennant was totally the personification of a gleeful "WAHEYYYY! WE BROUGHT DOCTOR WHO BACK!!! It's a MASSIVE SUCCESS!!! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

The slightly tweaked version ibuprofen in Series 2 was perfect if you ask me.
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby paulhickling » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:00 pm

For me the Series 1 version is the best because it's basically the original beefed up. It's a well known fact that they were very happy to go with the original (well, the Pertwee/Tom one) until they felt it sounded a bit thin compared to the upped sound levels of the episode (Rose), and so they decided it needed pumping up. And so it is the original with overlays, and I think it's fine. You do get the baseline.

The rock version is ok, because it sounds nice and urgent. The first Moff/Smith one took a while to like but eventually I did and I actually liked the new non-Grainer intro at the start which had a 'into the adventure' feel to it.

As of Series 7 it started to sound weedy, until Capaldi is greeted with the worst one since Keff and Dom's abysmal post-BBC RW efforts.
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Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:01 pm

paulhickling wrote:For me the Series 1 version is the best because it's basically the original beefed up. .


The way they have it in the 5.1 mix, it sound much WEAKER than the original to me! The original (particularly when Barry Letts got Delia to add the cliffhanger sting for Season 7 in 1970) was often a max broadcastable level... whereas Season 27's is a load of dB's quieter than everything else around it.
Murray Gold talks a bit about it on the "Music and Monsters" feature on the Season 29 DVD, I forget his exact words but he basically says he was trying to make it more showbizz.
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:09 pm

Another tiny thing to mention, but annoying: Season 30 was when the BBC started limiting programme credits/closing theme tunes to 30 seconds. WANKERS. :x
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Re: Watching DrWho from the beginning: Season 30

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:41 am

PARTNERS IN CRIME -
well I have to say I thought this was great! A lovely black comedy, a real hoot. The scenes where they keep missing each other are a delightful, then the one at the windows where they finally spot each other is hilarious.
Catherine Tate is a lovely foil for Tennant, and my better than all that never-ending "oh boohoo the Doctor doesn't fancy me" stuff they saddly Martha with.
The adipose are so sweet, the Nanny baddy is cool.

Obviously, we couldn't have Dr Who being a comedy like this every week, but the format can easily absorb it for a season opener like this. Very well crafted by RTD.
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