The 12th Doctor is...

Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby iank » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:32 am

Apparently, according to Tony, the modern audience is so thick as pig s**t the only thing they'll watch is the dumbest, most moronic f**kwittery imaginable. Despite the fact that modern television, both American and British, is littered with quality, well written shows that make modern Who look like the juvenile sack of dipshit it is.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby adamwho » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:51 am

iank wrote:Apparently, according to Tony, the modern audience is so thick as pig s**t the only thing they'll watch is the dumbest, most moronic f**kwittery imaginable. Despite the fact that modern television, both American and British, is littered with quality, well written shows that make modern Who look like the juvenile sack of dipshit it is.


I like the way you put it but I don't think that the all audience is quite like this but the British Saturday evening primetime television audience is exactly how you describe (and I think you were being too lenient on them) and its such a shame that this is the target audience of nuwho. Of course some people will bark on that DW has always been aimed at this audience but to them I say this that back in previous decades DW could be an intelligent show and inhabit a family primetime television slot whereas now I don't think that's possible because of all the trash which DW has to compete with in this slot and in order to successfully compete with all the trash it has to become the same as it in some aspects. Russell T Davis seemed all too willing to do this which is why I find the first four seasons of nuwho completely unwatchable and I haven't been convinced by what has come after either.

You'd think with the increasing popularity of the show around the world that the makers of it would try to make it less parochial.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby iank » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:32 am

I don't think the audience is like that either. But that's what Tony seems to think, and most disturbingly its what the program makers seem to think too. Capaldi is not going to get the run he deserves unless this mindset undergoes a serious reversal.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby Jason Mahoney » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:35 am

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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby John Johnson » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:53 am

Why Peter Capaldi is perfect for the role

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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby John Johnson » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:57 am

Good piece about Capaldi here.

A year after winning the Oscar for short film he was dropped by Hollywood and was directing a dog food commercial. Just before landing the role in The Thick of it he had such a bad year he thought he would have to sell his house and he's always wanted to play the Doctor but thought now he was too old for the part.

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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby The Nimon » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:22 pm

Just a point of interest. On the audio commentary for episode 5 of The Monster of Peladon, 6 min 16 secs in, Barry Letts talks about a young 11 year old fan who sent a script into the production office and was allowed to visit the set and meet Jon Pertwee. His name was Peter Capaldi
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby LizR » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:44 pm

The Nimon wrote:Just a point of interest. On the audio commentary for episode 5 of The Monster of Peladon, 6 min 16 secs in, Barry Letts talks about a young 11 year old fan who sent a script into the production office and was allowed to visit the set and meet Jon Pertwee. His name was Peter Capaldi

WOW!!!!
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Jason Mahoney wrote:Don't know if this has already been posted:

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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby iank » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:04 am

The face choosing scene in War Games gets ever more ripe for parody. "He's too young" (Smith) "He's too old" (Capaldi). "He's too fat!" (Colin, obviously). :lol:
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby LizR » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:00 am

John Johnson wrote:Good piece about Capaldi here.

A year after winning the Oscar for short film he was dropped by Hollywood and was directing a dog food commercial. Just before landing the role in The Thick of it he had such a bad year he thought he would have to sell his house and he's always wanted to play the Doctor but thought now he was too old for the part.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainm ... no-2129486

That is so sweet. I'm warming to him already. Hope Moffat doesn't screw it up...
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby Allons-y » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:15 am

adamwho wrote:
Allons-y wrote:Hmm I agree The Caves of Androzani was good.


Well you would because you go along with the prevailing consensus of fandom which always singles out The Caves of Androzani as being the only highpoint of the JNT years even though the truth is there were other stories equally as good.

Allons-y wrote:Dalek, Human Nature/The Family of Blood and The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky beat those other three by a country mile


Dalek was mostly good (probably the best nu who story) but I would have liked it to have stayed closer to Rob Shearmans Jubliee audio story which was a lot darker.

As for Human Nature/Family of Blood I'm sorry but I'm not interested in the Doctor falling in love its just something which shouldn't happen in my opinion. The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky was slightly better than most nu who fodder I suppose even though I was indifferent to it but it can't hold a candle to the other stories I mentioned.

Well no, I don't just go along with anyone's consensus, I have my on views and opinions. Sure I may often agree with the concerns but it is only the consensus in the first place because it's what many think. As for human nature out agree that three doctor shouldn't fall in love, although I can forgive it in this instance because he was human and it was made clear he did not feel like that at all as a Time Lord.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby LizR » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:11 am

Allons-y wrote:As for human nature I agree that the doctor shouldn't fall in love, although I can forgive it in this instance because he was human and it was made clear he did not feel like that at all as a Time Lord.

Unlike in "The Girl in the Fireplace", who wrote that, again...?

(And who placed it next to "School Reunion", in which the Doctor explained poignantly why he never got too close to humans?)

Human Nature/Family of Blood was great apart from the awful last 15 minutes, in which the Doctor is shown to be a sadistic monster for some reason.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby chap with wings » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:47 pm

I love the "no second chances" vengeful god 10th Doctor.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby Allons-y » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:53 pm

LizR wrote:
Allons-y wrote:As for human nature I agree that the doctor shouldn't fall in love, although I can forgive it in this instance because he was human and it was made clear he did not feel like that at all as a Time Lord.

Unlike in "The Girl in the Fireplace", who wrote that, again...?

(And who placed it next to "School Reunion", in which the Doctor explained poignantly why he never got too close to humans?)

Human Nature/Family of Blood was great apart from the awful last 15 minutes, in which the Doctor is shown to be a sadistic monster for some reason.

I actually thought that worked perhaps best of all, it wasn't exactly unprovoked.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby The Nimon » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:26 pm

LizR wrote:
The Nimon wrote:Just a point of interest. On the audio commentary for episode 5 of The Monster of Peladon, 6 min 16 secs in, Barry Letts talks about a young 11 year old fan who sent a script into the production office and was allowed to visit the set and meet Jon Pertwee. His name was Peter Capaldi

WOW!!!!


Give it a listen, if you have the dvd, Barry talks highly of him
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby LizR » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:07 am

Allons-y wrote:I actually thought that worked perhaps best of all, it wasn't exactly unprovoked.

Well you must have a very low opinion of the Doctor's character if that's how you think he should behave. Every enemy he's faced was equally deserving but he hasn't generally (or intentionally) sent them to some private eternal hell.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby LizR » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:08 am

chap with wings wrote:I love the "no second chances" vengeful god 10th Doctor.

Well it certainly makes a change from "there should have been another way" and "have I the right?"

Maybe they should get Sylvester Stallone in to play him as Rambo or Judge Dredd?
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby iank » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:17 am

The worst thing is that he's an inconsistent hypocrite. He's a "no second chances" Doctor? Fine. Cool. So why then does he turn around and try to save the Master (and have a good blub over him like a big baby) and Davros then? (And get all righteous when the cloneDoctor wipes out the Daleks).

He's a hypocritical cretin.
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Re: The 12th Doctor is...

Postby LizR » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:47 am

iank wrote:The worst thing is that he's an inconsistent hypocrite. He's a "no second chances" Doctor? Fine. Cool. So why then does he turn around and try to save the Master (and have a good blub over him like a big baby) and Davros then? (And get all righteous when the cloneDoctor wipes out the Daleks).

He's a hypocritical cretin.

He is as RTD (and now Moffat) have made him...
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