Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby greystone_06 » Thu May 29, 2014 12:43 am

I really do hope that Peter Capaldi can restore a measure of credibility back into Dr Who.

It’s time for a complete change of direction and I’m hoping Capaldi is the man to usher in this new era.

He’s got a tough job ahead of him with Moffat still in charge, but fingers crossed, I believe he’s the man for the job.

Good luck Peter, you have to be the best piece of casting Moffat has made in his uninspiring reign to date.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby LizR » Thu May 29, 2014 1:28 am

Personally I think Matt Smith was an inspired piece of casting, unlike his predecessor. Shame he didn't get better stories, but again, they were generally better than his predecessor got, imho - with the ironic exceptions of a couple from Moffat. But anyway, I hope you're right about PC.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby iank » Thu May 29, 2014 2:10 am

Hoping for the best but expecting the worst...





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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby The Ginger Cat » Thu May 29, 2014 2:29 am

Well I've got a sneaky feeling Peter Capaldi will do just fine. But I'll still keep my fingers crossed for him just in case. :)
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby Tanlee » Thu May 29, 2014 2:32 am

I'm hopeful.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby LizR » Thu May 29, 2014 2:46 am

Tanlee wrote:I'm hopeful.

Yeah, hope springs eternal for Who, as far as I'm concerned. After so many kicks in the teeth, I'm not giving up now. :D
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby Braxiatel » Thu May 29, 2014 4:01 am

My only hope is that he stays beyond Moffat
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby tony ingram » Thu May 29, 2014 7:05 am

greystone_06 wrote:I really do hope that Peter Capaldi can restore a measure of credibility back into Dr Who.

It’s time for a complete change of direction and I’m hoping Capaldi is the man to usher in this new era.

He’s got a tough job ahead of him with Moffat still in charge, but fingers crossed, I believe he’s the man for the job.

Good luck Peter, you have to be the best piece of casting Moffat has made in his uninspiring reign to date.

Doctor Who has plenty of "credibility"-probably more than it's ever had, as far as the world in general is concerned. Nobody cares whether a small, bitter minority of former fans who can't accept change like it or not. People seem to be assuming that a change to an older Doctor will automatically transport the series back to the 1970s. It won't. It's being made now for an audience with different tastes and expectations and that isn't going to change. It can't.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby The Krynoid Man » Thu May 29, 2014 7:48 am

I liked the last series, well the stuff written by Moffat at Gatiss at least, so I'm looking forward to it. Also, to me Peter Capladi doesn't seem like he suffers fools gladly. If there's anything he doesn't like in a script he'll say something about it.
I mean yes I would like the new series to be full on Hinchcliffe style, but as Mr Ingram said it's not the 1970's anymore and that sort of show, for better or for worse, wouldn't work for mainstream audience these days. Sadly for todays audiences, everything has to move at a really fast pace. Something like this would be far too slow for them. I'm not saying their stupid or anything thing, that's just how things are.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby tony ingram » Thu May 29, 2014 8:01 am

The Krynoid man wrote:I liked the last series, well the stuff written by Moffat at Gatiss at least, so I'm looking forward to it. Also, to me Peter Capladi doesn't seem like he suffers fools gladly. If there's anything he doesn't like in a script he'll say something about it.
I mean yes I would like the new series to be full on Hinchcliffe style, but as Mr Ingram said it's not the 1970's anymore and that sort of show, for better or for worse, wouldn't work for mainstream audience these days. Sadly for todays audiences, everything has to move at a really fast pace. Something like this would be far too slow for them. I'm not saying their stupid or anything thing, that's just how things are.
Exactly. We now have more than one generation who have grown up used to fast moving action movies and, more to the point, incredibly fast moving and often complex video games. That is what they expect from their entertainment, complexity, speed and spectacle. I've tried to show classic Who stories to younger people-not kids, but people in their twenties-and while some of them could appreciate the stories as stories, the most common sentiment expressed is always that they are too slow, too padded, and consequently rather a chore to watch. And I'm not just talking about six parters, here.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby Heccypoo » Thu May 29, 2014 8:31 am

tony ingram wrote:
The Krynoid man wrote:I liked the last series, well the stuff written by Moffat at Gatiss at least, so I'm looking forward to it. Also, to me Peter Capladi doesn't seem like he suffers fools gladly. If there's anything he doesn't like in a script he'll say something about it.
I mean yes I would like the new series to be full on Hinchcliffe style, but as Mr Ingram said it's not the 1970's anymore and that sort of show, for better or for worse, wouldn't work for mainstream audience these days. Sadly for todays audiences, everything has to move at a really fast pace. Something like this would be far too slow for them. I'm not saying their stupid or anything thing, that's just how things are.
Exactly. We now have more than one generation who have grown up used to fast moving action movies and, more to the point, incredibly fast moving and often complex video games. That is what they expect from their entertainment, complexity, speed and spectacle. I've tried to show classic Who stories to younger people-not kids, but people in their twenties-and while some of them could appreciate the stories as stories, the most common sentiment expressed is always that they are too slow, too padded, and consequently rather a chore to watch. And I'm not just talking about six parters, here.


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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Thu May 29, 2014 9:44 am

tony ingram wrote:Exactly. We now have more than one generation who have grown up used to fast moving action movies and, more to the point, incredibly fast moving and often complex video games. That is what they expect from their entertainment, complexity, speed and spectacle. I've tried to show classic Who stories to younger people-not kids, but people in their twenties-and while some of them could appreciate the stories as stories, the most common sentiment expressed is always that they are too slow, too padded, and consequently rather a chore to watch. And I'm not just talking about six parters, here.


Yes but some of these people have never even sat on CHAIRS before! :roll:
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby The Krynoid Man » Thu May 29, 2014 10:00 am

Doctor Who is a family program so of course it has to appeal to the younger generation, but at least it doesn't treat them like idiots (well maybe the RTD era did) unlike most of the rubbish the gets shown in the cinema nowadays. Films are primarily made to appeal to young boys nowadays, even though most of the population aren't young boys. The studios think that in order to do that they have to treat the audience like their idiots, which is rubbish because children aren't stupid at all. Say what you want about Moffat, at least he tries to give us well written stories that can appeal to all ages. Even if he doesn't succeed at least he's putting effort into it.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby greystone_06 » Thu May 29, 2014 12:33 pm

The Krynoid man wrote:Doctor Who is a family program so of course it has to appeal to the younger generation, but at least it doesn't treat them like idiots (well maybe the RTD era did) unlike most of the rubbish the gets shown in the cinema nowadays. Films are primarily made to appeal to young boys nowadays, even though most of the population aren't young boys. The studios think that in order to do that they have to treat the audience like their idiots, which is rubbish because children aren't stupid at all. Say what you want about Moffat, at least he tries to give us well written stories that can appeal to all ages. Even if he doesn't succeed at least he's putting effort into it.


I can't agree. The Moffat era is at best a mish-mash of half realized ideas. Like all Moffat productions it claims to be intelligent but contains no substance.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby greystone_06 » Thu May 29, 2014 12:43 pm

tony ingram wrote:
greystone_06 wrote:I really do hope that Peter Capaldi can restore a measure of credibility back into Dr Who.

It’s time for a complete change of direction and I’m hoping Capaldi is the man to usher in this new era.

He’s got a tough job ahead of him with Moffat still in charge, but fingers crossed, I believe he’s the man for the job.

Good luck Peter, you have to be the best piece of casting Moffat has made in his uninspiring reign to date.

Doctor Who has plenty of "credibility"-probably more than it's ever had, as far as the world in general is concerned. Nobody cares whether a small, bitter minority of former fans who can't accept change like it or not. People seem to be assuming that a change to an older Doctor will automatically transport the series back to the 1970s. It won't. It's being made now for an audience with different tastes and expectations and that isn't going to change. It can't.


I take your last point but I'm trying to recall how many times during the decades that led up to Moffat's appointment that a character in DW resolved a situation just by wishing it would go away, or change. It's not the pace that bothers me it's the writing.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby tony ingram » Thu May 29, 2014 12:53 pm

greystone_06 wrote:
The Krynoid man wrote:Doctor Who is a family program so of course it has to appeal to the younger generation, but at least it doesn't treat them like idiots (well maybe the RTD era did) unlike most of the rubbish the gets shown in the cinema nowadays. Films are primarily made to appeal to young boys nowadays, even though most of the population aren't young boys. The studios think that in order to do that they have to treat the audience like their idiots, which is rubbish because children aren't stupid at all. Say what you want about Moffat, at least he tries to give us well written stories that can appeal to all ages. Even if he doesn't succeed at least he's putting effort into it.


I can't agree. The Moffat era is at best a mish-mash of half realized ideas. Like all Moffat productions it claims to be intelligent but contains no substance.
And I can't agree with that. Clearly, you are incapable of appreciating what Moffat is doing, but luckily, most viewers seem to.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby Heccypoo » Thu May 29, 2014 12:58 pm

tony ingram wrote:
greystone_06 wrote:
The Krynoid man wrote:Doctor Who is a family program so of course it has to appeal to the younger generation, but at least it doesn't treat them like idiots (well maybe the RTD era did) unlike most of the rubbish the gets shown in the cinema nowadays. Films are primarily made to appeal to young boys nowadays, even though most of the population aren't young boys. The studios think that in order to do that they have to treat the audience like their idiots, which is rubbish because children aren't stupid at all. Say what you want about Moffat, at least he tries to give us well written stories that can appeal to all ages. Even if he doesn't succeed at least he's putting effort into it.


I can't agree. The Moffat era is at best a mish-mash of half realized ideas. Like all Moffat productions it claims to be intelligent but contains no substance.
And I can't agree with that. Clearly, you are incapable of appreciating what Moffat is doing, but luckily, most viewers seem to.


That's not fair. He's only expressing an opinion,

However, I hope, who ever writes for the new series, it's good and entertaining. Nothing wrong in hoping for that
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby tony ingram » Thu May 29, 2014 1:04 pm

Heccypoo wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
greystone_06 wrote:
The Krynoid man wrote:Doctor Who is a family program so of course it has to appeal to the younger generation, but at least it doesn't treat them like idiots (well maybe the RTD era did) unlike most of the rubbish the gets shown in the cinema nowadays. Films are primarily made to appeal to young boys nowadays, even though most of the population aren't young boys. The studios think that in order to do that they have to treat the audience like their idiots, which is rubbish because children aren't stupid at all. Say what you want about Moffat, at least he tries to give us well written stories that can appeal to all ages. Even if he doesn't succeed at least he's putting effort into it.


I can't agree. The Moffat era is at best a mish-mash of half realized ideas. Like all Moffat productions it claims to be intelligent but contains no substance.
And I can't agree with that. Clearly, you are incapable of appreciating what Moffat is doing, but luckily, most viewers seem to.


That's not fair. He's only expressing an opinion,

However, I hope, who ever writes for the new series, it's good and entertaining. Nothing wrong in hoping for that
Yes, a wholly negative, purely subjective opinion presented as fact. Which I disagree with.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby Heccypoo » Thu May 29, 2014 2:11 pm

Yes, a wholly negative, purely subjective opinion presented as fact. Which I disagree with.


OK, fair enough.
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Re: Fingers crossed for Peter Capaldi

Postby Allons-y » Thu May 29, 2014 3:44 pm

I have to say I really hate the attitude of Moffat fans, they all seem to have this idea that if you don't like Moffat's work clearly you're not intelligent enough to appreciate it. Not everyone likes the same thing, not liking Moffat's version of Who doesn't mean you're not smart enough or quick enough to keep up, it just means you don't like it, pure and simple.
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