RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby Mike Nuttall » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:36 pm

I heard a rumour a few days ago that the BBC is "wooing" RTD to return to Doctor Who as executive producer to oversee the next showrunner's first season at the helm in the way that Barry Letts did during JNT's first year.

Has anyone else heard this, or do we think it's a load of bunkum?
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby The Nimon » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:07 pm

I've not heard anything
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby LizR » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:34 am

The next showrunner?
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Postby Allons-y » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:24 am

Is Moffat leaving soon then? :D
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Postby LizR » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:01 pm

Any idea who the next showrunner might be?

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Postby 'teleportNOW!' » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:44 pm

Maybe it'll be Jeremy Clarkson
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby Mike Nuttall » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:07 pm

LizR wrote:The next showrunner?


Yes. I assume at some point in hopefully the not too distant future one of the grey-suited bean-counters at the BBC will summon up the courage to suggest to Steven Moffat that he might like to consider moving on to pastures new.

The scenario as I imagine it involves two burly corporation security guards using blunt instruments, possibly sonic screwdriver shaped crowbars, to prise Mr. Moffat's cold dead hands off the door handles of the Doctor Who production office in order to allow someone else to eventually take at punt at running the show.

All this will likely occur sometime around 2026.
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby Mike Nuttall » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:17 pm

LizR wrote:Any idea who the next showrunner might be?


If there's any truth to the rumour that RTD is coming back for one season as executive producer, that implies to me that the next showrunner isn't going to be one of the usual suspects but someone who isn't a fan of the series at all, which is exactly what it needs if you ask me.
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby Tanlee » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:36 pm

Mike Nuttall wrote:The scenario as I imagine it involves two burly corporation security guards using blunt instruments, possibly sonic screwdriver shaped crowbars, to prise Mr. Moffat's cold dead hands off the door handles of the Doctor Who production office in order to allow someone else to eventually take at punt at running the show.


What was it that caused you to go off Moffat. btw?
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Postby Kajaboy » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:29 pm

Mike Nuttall wrote:.....but someone who isn't a fan of the series at all, which is exactly what it needs if you ask me.


I was beginning to think we had that already.
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby Mike Nuttall » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:42 pm

Tanlee wrote:
Mike Nuttall wrote:The scenario as I imagine it involves two burly corporation security guards using blunt instruments, possibly sonic screwdriver shaped crowbars, to prise Mr. Moffat's cold dead hands off the door handles of the Doctor Who production office in order to allow someone else to eventually take at punt at running the show.


What was it that caused you to go off Moffat. btw?


I was trying to be funny - and clearly failed! :lol:

Having said that I've never made a secret of the fact that Moffat's take on the show has rarely been my cup of tea. I tried to be enthusiastic about the first few episodes of series five but around half-way through the season I came clean and said it wasn't for me. I made a point of saying it was well written, well acted, well directed and well produced, it just wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like Amy Pond at all, didn't like Rory much, and even though Matt Smith was the best thing about most of his episodes, he is one of my least favourite Doctors.

For me the tone was wrong right from the start with the pre-credits sequence for The Eleventh Hour when the camera spins around, the TARDIS doors bounce open, and the camera looks down to see the new Doctor outside the ship for some unexplained reason, which is hurtling though the sky over London at 100mph, with him hanging on to practically nothing by his fingertips. It didn't make any sense to me at the time and still doesn't. Of course it was done so Steven Moffat could shoe-horn in a not very funny sight gag about the Doctor nearly having his balls ripped off by the spire of Big Ben. Throw in a less than impressive re-working of the theme tune and cheap-looking smoky tunnel title sequence and it really didn't float my boat from the off.

Don't get me wrong I'm not one of these fans that thinks the show should be made just to please me, but it is nice when I'm genuinely loving it and feeling as if it is. Of course when the reverse is true it's not so good!
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby Tanlee » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:09 am

Personally I loved Series Five (aside from the Chibnall two parter), but it was come Let's Kill Hitler that I started to feel Moffat had lost it and the characters stopped being real to me. I have to say this last season has been rather the last straw for me.
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby LizR » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:10 am

Mike Nuttall wrote:
LizR wrote:Any idea who the next showrunner might be?


If there's any truth to the rumour that RTD is coming back for one season as executive producer, that implies to me that the next showrunner isn't going to be one of the usual suspects but someone who isn't a fan of the series at all, which is exactly what it needs if you ask me.

Agreed absolutely.
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby LizR » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:16 am

Kajaboy wrote:
Mike Nuttall wrote:.....but someone who isn't a fan of the series at all, which is exactly what it needs if you ask me.


I was beginning to think we had that already.

Well quite. To be exact we've had two people who have decided to redefine it - not because it "needs to evolve" etc but just to suit their own vision. Which was in one case "Eastenders in space with emo music and cardboard aliens - oh, and I have weird issues with female characters" and in the other "Look how incredibly clever I am, no one can understand me, probably including myself - oh, and I have weird issues with female characters".

How about someone whose vision is more along the lines of "Let's get some writers in to produce some exciting, sometimes frightening, sometimes humorous (but not self-parodying) stories based around the idea of having adventures in space and time - and I'll let them get on with it" ?
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Postby iank » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:17 am

I have to agree with Tanlee here - series 5 is still my favourite of the new series (and the closest in feel to classic Who to me, or at least the kind of classic Who I like), loved SmithyMark1, Amy and Rory (the best team of regulars since series 1, if not season 26) and even series 6 started off well (the opening 2 parter gets better every time you watch it) but it turned into a trainwreck with the mid-season "revelation" and never (Girl Who Waited aside) recovered. Series 7 was painful, with Smith reduced from the best modern Doctor to a caricatured joke and 8 arguably even more so, with a new Doctor never getting the slightest chance to really strut his stuff or escape from the mire of the formulaic, boring, stupid plotting and focus on the utterly Godawful Clara. The laughable finale WAS the last straw for me.
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby LizR » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:59 am

iank wrote:I have to agree with Tanlee here - series 5 is still my favourite of the new series (and the closest in feel to classic Who to me, or at least the kind of classic Who I like), loved SmithyMark1, Amy and Rory (the best team of regulars since series 1, if not season 26) and even series 6 started off well (the opening 2 parter gets better every time you watch it) but it turned into a trainwreck with the mid-season "revelation" and never (Girl Who Waited aside) recovered. Series 7 was painful, with Smith reduced from the best modern Doctor to a caricatured joke and 8 arguably even more so, with a new Doctor never getting the slightest chance to really strut his stuff or escape from the mire of the formulaic, boring, stupid plotting and focus on the utterly Godawful Clara. The laughable finale WAS the last straw for me.

Sadly I have to agree with the above. Smith started out with great promise - at last, a Doctor who seemed like an alien, rather than just some bloke. And the stories started out goodish, space whales aside. At least a couple of good ones per season, which was two more than RTD managed after his first series (blink/Human nature excepted). But, but, but... it all started to fall apart. Insisting on have "feisty" female characters rather than realistic ones (what was the point of River Song, apart from as eye candy for chap with wings? A spouter of catchphrases, and about as Mary-Sue-ish as Rose clearly was for RTD).

And then poor old JLC had to act as this "impossible girl" thing, which is roughly like having some boring guy telling you how wonderful you are when he's clearly never going to actually do anything - that seems to be how Clara was treated by SM most of the time, writing eulogies for the Doctor, but to what end? Talk talk...
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Re: RTD to be Barry Letts to the next showrunner?

Postby The Chris of Fenric » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:16 pm

I gave up after there was an episode with a Dalek Prime Minister. Apart from the 50th anniversary story, I haven't watched since. I never thought I'd get tired of Doctor Who. But at this point, to me, the only thing more insufferable than the series is its nasty fans.

A new direction - ANY different direction, with a new man or woman at the helm would be infinitely preferable.
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Postby bobmcpherson » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:40 pm

The fellows who do PRIMEVAL. Keep Davies and Moffat or ANYONE connected to them far far FAR away.
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