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Postby Allons-y » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:56 am

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LizR wrote:Just giving you the benefit of the doubt. I can't think of any other rational explanation, except that Matt WAS the Doctor, while his predecessor... well, let's not speak ill of the regenerated. :twisted:

hahaha. Afraid Matt never really did it for me, he felt the least like the Doctor since McCoy.

I know that's your opinion (wrong though it is). I was just winding you up. :twisted:

It did work :lol:
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Allons-y » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:03 am

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Allons-y wrote:hahaha. Afraid Matt never really did it for me, he felt the least like the Doctor since McCoy.

I know that's your opinion (wrong though it is). I was just winding you up. :twisted:


on this Allons-y and I agree - Smith was awful. :lol: :lol:

Two people I respect being wrong doesn't make a right. Smith got how to be alien, ageless and mysterious. Unfortunately the scripts didn't.

As I said a short way into "The Eleventh Hour" --- "Welcome back, Doctor, I've missed you!" :11th Doctor:

For me he was more like someone with tourettes, who'd inexplicably forgotten a lot he'd previously shown he knows about Human culture, trying very hard to be the Doctor. Each to their own I guess.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby LizR » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:57 am

Allons-y wrote:For me he was more like someone with tourettes, who'd inexplicably forgotten a lot he'd previously shown he knows about Human culture, trying very hard to be the Doctor. Each to their own I guess.

You must love Peter's cue cards then! :D

As for Tourettes, isn't that the manic, shouty one? If so you just shot yourself in the foot, Tenant-wise.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Allons-y » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:38 pm

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Allons-y wrote:For me he was more like someone with tourettes, who'd inexplicably forgotten a lot he'd previously shown he knows about Human culture, trying very hard to be the Doctor. Each to their own I guess.

You must love Peter's cue cards then! :D

As for Tourettes, isn't that the manic, shouty one? If so you just shot yourself in the foot, Tenant-wise.

Nope, it's the random hand movements - Smith. No, those cards are stupid!
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Bowtiesarecool » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:01 pm

Matt Smith?

Best New Series Doctor ever. 8-)
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Tobias Vaughan » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:50 pm

Bowtiesarecool wrote:Matt Smith?

Best New Series Doctor ever. 8-)

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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby iank » Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:01 pm

Capaldi has yet to have anything worth watching more than once, or once in most cases. :floorroll:
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby LizR » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:26 am

Allons-y wrote:
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Allons-y wrote:For me he was more like someone with tourettes, who'd inexplicably forgotten a lot he'd previously shown he knows about Human culture, trying very hard to be the Doctor. Each to their own I guess.

You must love Peter's cue cards then! :D

As for Tourettes, isn't that the manic, shouty one? If so you just shot yourself in the foot, Tenant-wise.

Nope, it's the random hand movements - Smith. No, those cards are stupid!

According to Wikipedia it involves at least one "phonic" tic - i.e .shouting. I.e. Tenant as scripted most of the time.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby LizR » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:23 am

iank wrote:Capaldi has yet to have anything worth watching more than once, or once in most cases. :floorroll:

I think he's worth watching, in himself, but the scripts as usual aren't up to the acting, direction etc. Although not too bad this season.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby DrWhat » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:48 am

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DrWhat wrote:I actually really enjoyed Kill the Moon. I think that was New Who at its best. It was genuinely scary in parts and it forced you to think in a way that most television today doesn't.

It made me think "well they've got that wrong" about 10 times. Given that the basic idea came from a story Jack Williamson wrote in the 1930s (if I remember correctly) I was surprised that they hadn't actually bothered to look up any of the relevant science. Didn't anyone at any point stop to think, let's check some basic facts? Just so we don't look like complete prats?

All that is aside from the idea of the Moon being a large egg. I can suspend my disbelief for THAT, but not when they add so many gratuitous mistakes on top of that basic premise. Why didn't they remember the first rule of making a TV show or movie with a fantastic premise (in the "fantasy" sense) - play everything else straight, which in this case means get it right. If Harry Potter can make me believe in magic, Who should be able to make me believe in a Moon egg - it isn't rocket science.

(Well OK in this case it is, but it's all easily available online. See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass :roll: )


Doctor Who is and always has been a sci-fi/fantasy show and I found its exploration of the vexed issues around 'choice' to be rather brilliant. Even during Bidmead's tenure I never looked to Doctor Who for scientific realism.

I don't think anyone does. The rule is self-consistency (e.g. drowned babies vs Moon bird's life), plus if you're going to try for realism get it right, or at least not wildly, illogically wrong (as with the Moon magically increasing in mass for no reason)


I don't now of anything in the history of either the new or old series that contradicts the idea of the moon being a hollow egg.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby LizR » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:02 am

DrWhat wrote:I don't now of anything in the history of either the new or old series that contradicts the idea of the moon being a hollow egg.

Well, the fact that they have generally been billed as science fiction mitigates against it, but if you read my post (as I assume you did) you must have noticed that I don't say I thought there's anything wrong with the Moon being an egg, it was the attendant non-self-consistent details I objected to.

What I actually said was:

All that is aside from the idea of the Moon being a large egg. I can suspend my disbelief for THAT, but not when they add so many gratuitous mistakes on top of that basic premise. Why didn't they remember the first rule of making a TV show or movie with a fantastic premise (in the "fantasy" sense) - play everything else straight, which in this case means get it right.


One of the cardinal rules of writing is to be self-consistent. This means you don't cheat the audience by (say) claiming that certain events are "a fixed point in time" and can't be changed, then resolving the situation by breaking that self-imposed rule. Similarly if you're going to work from the premise that the Moon is an egg, you should get the facts that support your premise right. There is no reason not to, and since it will add verisimilitude to what is a fairly outrageous idea, there is every reason to do so.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Bowtiesarecool » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:06 pm

I'm going to add in The Husbands of River Song as one of my Capaldi favourites.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Flying Tiger Comics » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:06 am

Capaldi's inchoherent diction and overacting have ranked him least favourite Doctor for me, tied in last place with fellow "scot" Sylvester McCoy (not his real name).

So I don't actually have any Capaldi Who I would rewatch or own and have no favourite eps of his at all.

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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby LizR » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:19 am

Flying Tiger Comics wrote:Capaldi's inchoherent diction and overacting have ranked him least favourite Doctor for me, tied in last place with fellow "scot" Sylvester McCoy (not his real name).

So I don't actually have any Capaldi Who I would rewatch or own and have no favourite eps of his at all.

Let his time be cut short; let his place be taken by another.

Time for Ross Noble to step in...
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Flying Tiger Comics » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:11 pm

LizR wrote:Time for Ross Noble to step in...


It might be an exciting and novel idea to simply have the Doctor played by a white Englishman who can speak clearly, who has at least rudimentary acting ability, is popular with the audience segments of the modern show and at least somewhat appealing to the involuntary victims of the licence paying class and finally who understands that the show's roots lie in theatre of the week and not pantomime.

However, such dreams are nothing more than the fulminations of those who imbibe too freely of the poppy.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Bowtiesarecool » Tue May 23, 2017 2:49 pm

I'm adding Knock Knock and Oxygen to the list.
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Re: Favourite Capalidi Stories

Postby shuzbot » Tue May 23, 2017 2:52 pm

shuzbot wrote:Time Heist, Flat line, into the Dalek and the Mummy


I will add Heaven Sent and Under the Lake/Before the Flood (but only just) and then The Pilot, Oxygen, Husbands of River Song and maybe Thin Ice.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Bowtiesarecool » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:40 pm

The Empress of Mars.
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Re: Favourite Capaldi Stories

Postby Rubbernecking » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:54 pm

World Enough And Time I liked.
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