Capaldi says DW being used as a scheduling pawn by the BBC

Capaldi says DW being used as a scheduling pawn by the BBC

Postby Mike Nuttall » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:14 pm

Doctor Who being used as scheduling pawn by BBC, says Peter Capaldi

Actor criticises corporation for using show in ‘Saturday night warfare’ and says late slot is not ideal for young viewers


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Postby iank » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:26 pm

lol at Moffat getting his panties in a knot over the overnights. Someone's not handling failure well. :floorroll:
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Postby chap with wings » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:38 pm

I agree, if the overnights can have those who have recorded it added to the figures, can we revisit the McCOy era and count all those who video taped it while their Mum watched Corrie? bound to get the figures up to 7 million at least.
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Postby iank » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:44 pm

Indeed.

It is also worth noting that the worst rated Sylv (Battlefield pt 1) followed a very unusually low-rated Wogan. At least four and a half million people didn't turn off because Who came on like last week! :floorroll:
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Postby chap with wings » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:48 pm

I like Capaldi as the Doctor, but not the writing - but even a "new Who Apologist" like me isnt wilfully blind enough to see that the public have fallen out of love with Who - Strictly 9 million viewers, Who 3.7 Million viewers. People are turning off in their millions. I think it needs to be rested and re thought.
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Re: Capaldi says DW being used as a scheduling pawn by the B

Postby FordTimelord » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:43 am

If the quality of the end product was good enough, it wouldn't matter what time it went out on a Saturday night - 6, 7, 8 or 9 pm. And kids these days stay up that late anyway. The reason they're not watching Who is because they're playing Minecraft or something on XBox Live or similar which has grabbed their attention.

Moffat, Gatiss and Capaldi are making a show for what they liked or wanted to be as kids or even young adults, not what will enthuse the current generation of young viewers. Moffat's take on the Doctor as a healer was recently shown to be an idea he had as a young fan. Gatiss just does pastiches of classic shows of the past (various horror, Errol Flynn's Robin Hood(?)). Same problem with Capaldi's acting. The sunglasses and guitar are just him channeling his inner punk rocker.

They should stop indulging themselves and get some new ideas. Or let someone else have a go.
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Postby LizR » Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:09 am

chap with wings wrote:I agree, if the overnights can have those who have recorded it added to the figures, can we revisit the McCOy era and count all those who video taped it while their Mum watched Corrie? bound to get the figures up to 7 million at least.

Not to mention those who dowloaded it off the Pirate Bay 30 years later. ;)

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Postby LizR » Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:12 am

chap with wings wrote:I like Capaldi as the Doctor, but not the writing - but even a "new Who Apologist" like me isnt wilfully blind enough to see that the public have fallen out of love with Who - Strictly 9 million viewers, Who 3.7 Million viewers. People are turning off in their millions. I think it needs to be rested and re thought.

At least RTD managed to get an audience of people who didn't care about plot, storytelling or the characterisation of anyone who wasn't a middle class Londoner, and were happy to have the emotional overtones spelled out by Murray Gold. It seems Moffat can't even manage that.

Although that said, I've thought the current series was above average so far.
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Postby FordTimelord » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:01 am

LizR wrote:
chap with wings wrote:I like Capaldi as the Doctor, but not the writing - but even a "new Who Apologist" like me isnt wilfully blind enough to see that the public have fallen out of love with Who - Strictly 9 million viewers, Who 3.7 Million viewers. People are turning off in their millions. I think it needs to be rested and re thought.

At least RTD managed to get an audience of people who didn't care about plot, storytelling or the characterisation of anyone who wasn't a middle class Londoner, and were happy to have the emotional overtones spelled out by Murray Gold. It seems Moffat can't even manage that.

Although that said, I've thought the current series was above average so far.


The RTD-era was part-soap opera. Not everyone's cup of tea. But it worked. And among some dross, there was some genuinely very good Doctor Who.
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Postby The Ginger Cat » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:56 am

Peter Capaldi talks to Lizo Mzimba about overnight ratings, Doctor Who being shown too late and those rumours of fewer episodes next year.

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Postby LizR » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:38 am

FordTimelord wrote:And among some dross, there was some genuinely very good Doctor Who.

Well, to be fair the same is true of Moffat's era. "The Doctor's Wife", "The girl who waited", "Amy's choice" -- to pick just three excellent stories. The trouble, if there is trouble, comes from the Moffat equivalent of concept albums, the overblown grandiose bombastic badly thought out splurges like the first Missy one, whatever it was called, which is giving "Last of the Time Lords" a run for its money in the barrel-scraping stakes.
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Postby Allons-y » Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:18 pm

LizR wrote:
chap with wings wrote:I agree, if the overnights can have those who have recorded it added to the figures, can we revisit the McCOy era and count all those who video taped it while their Mum watched Corrie? bound to get the figures up to 7 million at least.

Not to mention those who dowloaded it off the Pirate Bay 30 years later. ;)

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Postby Joseph » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:32 pm

LizR wrote:
FordTimelord wrote:And among some dross, there was some genuinely very good Doctor Who.

Well, to be fair the same is true of Moffat's era. "The Doctor's Wife", "The girl who waited", "Amy's choice" -- to pick just three excellent stories. The trouble, if there is trouble, comes from the Moffat equivalent of concept albums, the overblown grandiose bombastic badly thought out splurges like the first Missy one, whatever it was called, which is giving "Last of the Time Lords" a run for its money in the barrel-scraping stakes.


Liz of COURSE Death in Heaven is worse than Last of the Time Lords.
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Re: Capaldi says DW being used as a scheduling pawn by the B

Postby Joseph » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:41 pm

Sad to say but if this were just the norm then I doubt they would even bother commenting on it. It seems DW's time in the sun is coming to an end once again. Give it a couple of years o so and I'm sure it will popular again, but its obviously coming to an end for now. I hated to say it because I do love DW, but a part of me is a little bit relieved only because they looked set to go through with a female Doctor and really cancellation is better for the show's legacy than that PC bullsh*t.
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Postby iank » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:23 pm

LizR wrote:
FordTimelord wrote:And among some dross, there was some genuinely very good Doctor Who.

Well, to be fair the same is true of Moffat's era. "The Doctor's Wife", "The girl who waited", "Amy's choice" -- to pick just three excellent stories. The trouble, if there is trouble, comes from the Moffat equivalent of concept albums, the overblown grandiose bombastic badly thought out splurges like the first Missy one, whatever it was called, which is giving "Last of the Time Lords" a run for its money in the barrel-scraping stakes.


Those are all from the first two seasons, though - the latter of which is now four years away!
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Postby LizR » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:39 am

Joseph wrote:
LizR wrote:
FordTimelord wrote:And among some dross, there was some genuinely very good Doctor Who.

Well, to be fair the same is true of Moffat's era. "The Doctor's Wife", "The girl who waited", "Amy's choice" -- to pick just three excellent stories. The trouble, if there is trouble, comes from the Moffat equivalent of concept albums, the overblown grandiose bombastic badly thought out splurges like the first Missy one, whatever it was called, which is giving "Last of the Time Lords" a run for its money in the barrel-scraping stakes.


Liz of COURSE Death in Heaven is worse than Last of the Time Lords.

You're only saying that because you've had time to take in and process the full horror, and had counselling for PTSD. Death in Heaven is still relatively fresh, if I can use that phrase for a story that involves bring the dead back to life.

LOTTL had the Doctor as Jesus - DIH has the Master as God...
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Postby George Agdgdgwngo » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:39 am

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