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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby StarQuake » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:03 am

bobmcpherson wrote:DRESSED TO KILL.......a very Cold Warish story involving a possible nuclear attack on Britain. Sort of remade as THE SUPERLATIVE SEVEN with Diana Rigg but different enough to be its own story. Guest stars Leonard Rossiter and as a Dolly Bird someone named Anneke Wills.........

One of my favourites, and better than The Superlative Seven imo. We have that lovely bit where Gale (the imposter at the party) picks out a plot of land without water as hers, as she reasons it can't be Steed's as he's talked about fishing at his plot - great reasoning that proves completely wrong and gets them both tied up. As she remarks afterward, she should have known that when Steed talked of fishing he was actually poaching!

It's nice because it shows just how dodgy Steed was in those early seasons, and I think that is part of what makes these earlier episodes my favourites. Steed wasn't just sneaky because his job demanded it, he did it even when there was a more straightforward way simply because he enjoyed it. I really liked that aspect of the character.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby bobmcpherson » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:06 pm

StarQuake wrote:
bobmcpherson wrote:DRESSED TO KILL.......a very Cold Warish story involving a possible nuclear attack on Britain. Sort of remade as THE SUPERLATIVE SEVEN with Diana Rigg but different enough to be its own story. Guest stars Leonard Rossiter and as a Dolly Bird someone named Anneke Wills.........

One of my favourites, and better than The Superlative Seven imo. We have that lovely bit where Gale (the imposter at the party) picks out a plot of land without water as hers, as she reasons it can't be Steed's as he's talked about fishing at his plot - great reasoning that proves completely wrong and gets them both tied up. As she remarks afterward, she should have known that when Steed talked of fishing he was actually poaching!

It's nice because it shows just how dodgy Steed was in those early seasons, and I think that is part of what makes these earlier episodes my favourites. Steed wasn't just sneaky because his job demanded it, he did it even when there was a more straightforward way simply because he enjoyed it. I really liked that aspect of the character.


I must say that I always considered the Gale originals sort of practice runs to the Rigg remakes BUT not this one. This one stands on its own and SEVEN really is not a remake but rather just uses elemewnts from this one to a VERY different effect.

Also it is surprising just HOW Cold War the Gales became. Before she was just involved in crime...usually induatrial. But this one.........along with NOVEMBER FIVE and THE NUTSHELL is the third attempt by the Reds to launch a nuclear attack on Britain. I do not recall that ever happening with Rigg, Thorson or Lumley........
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby Servorobot » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:38 pm

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bobmcpherson wrote:DRESSED TO KILL.......a very Cold Warish story involving a possible nuclear attack on Britain. Sort of remade as THE SUPERLATIVE SEVEN with Diana Rigg but different enough to be its own story. Guest stars Leonard Rossiter and as a Dolly Bird someone named Anneke Wills.........

One of my favourites, and better than The Superlative Seven imo. We have that lovely bit where Gale (the imposter at the party) picks out a plot of land without water as hers, as she reasons it can't be Steed's as he's talked about fishing at his plot - great reasoning that proves completely wrong and gets them both tied up. As she remarks afterward, she should have known that when Steed talked of fishing he was actually poaching!

It's nice because it shows just how dodgy Steed was in those early seasons, and I think that is part of what makes these earlier episodes my favourites. Steed wasn't just sneaky because his job demanded it, he did it even when there was a more straightforward way simply because he enjoyed it. I really liked that aspect of the character.


I must say that I always considered the Gale originals sort of practice runs to the Rigg remakes BUT not this one. This one stands on its own and SEVEN really is not a remake but rather just uses elemewnts from this one to a VERY different effect.

Also it is surprising just HOW Cold War the Gales became. Before she was just involved in crime...usually induatrial. But this one.........along with NOVEMBER FIVE and THE NUTSHELL is the third attempt by the Reds to launch a nuclear attack on Britain. I do not recall that ever happening with Rigg, Thorson or Lumley........


Those fiendish red herrings were up to such dastardly things in the 60’s. Nuclear attack, sleeper agents and the like.

These days it’s nerve gas in parks, cyber attacks, rigging elections and having pet corrupt politicians.

It’s really not the same is it? I shudder to think what The Avengers would be like if it was made today.

Of course by the third series it was just Cathy Gale and after the Cuban Missile Crisis it was all about those dastardly red herrings.

Product of its time I think.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby bobmcpherson » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:44 am

DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU.......okay while it is very VERY well done....the black and white adds something that the color does not have....Steed's Bentley is introduced.....the camera makes love to Honor Blackman....who is genuinely terrified by the end....and young Kenneth Colley was a happy surprise........yet the remake is the better version......tighter script better use of Ola and the Colley characters....no great exposition dump at the end and it is not resolved by a mere karate chop.

Also major continuity error here. The back story is set in 1953. Cathy Gale was NOT a secret agent then only recently becoming one THIS season. She and Steed did not know each other....having met for the first time in WARLOCK.

Still a creepy old dark house mystery story.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby bobmcpherson » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:02 am

THE GOLDEN FLEECE.......utterly unique ep in the series in that it actually has something to say about a then current British societal problem.........namely the truly rotten way the country treated their soldiers under...I am assuming...the then Labor govt. There is actually a speech at the end....something the show NEVER did before or since and Steed and Cathy Gale take an action to help the "villains" that again was never done before or after.

By Roger Marshall...I am thinking this was a left over script from season 2......as Steed has to manipulate Gale into getting involved.......something that was no longer necessary once she began working for the British Secret service in Season 3. Also there is a major scene giving some of her back story involving Kenya and the Mau Mau.....which again was no longer done in season 3. Incidentally the way Blackman plays that scene says volumes about how bad it was.........it was...if I recall....how she became a widow.

While I am happy the series went in the direction it did, THIS is still a great ep. Also I think the actor who played Captain Jones was in THE WAR GAMES................ :D
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby LizR » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:25 am

bobmcpherson wrote:THE GOLDEN FLEECE.......utterly unique ep in the series in that it actually has something to say about a then current British societal problem.........namely the truly rotten way the country treated their soldiers under...I am assuming...the then Labour govt.

No, "The Golden Fleece" was broadcast on 7 December 1963, and the Conservatives had been in power for 12 years at that point.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby Servorobot » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:51 am

bobmcpherson wrote:THE GOLDEN FLEECE.......utterly unique ep in the series in that it actually has something to say about a then current British societal problem.........namely the truly rotten way the country treated their soldiers under...I am assuming...the then Labor govt. There is actually a speech at the end....something the show NEVER did before or since and Steed and Cathy Gale take an action to help the "villains" that again was never done before or after.

By Roger Marshall...I am thinking this was a left over script from season 2......as Steed has to manipulate Gale into getting involved.......something that was no longer necessary once she began working for the British Secret service in Season 3. Also there is a major scene giving some of her back story involving Kenya and the Mau Mau.....which again was no longer done in season 3. Incidentally the way Blackman plays that scene says volumes about how bad it was.........it was...if I recall....how she became a widow.

While I am happy the series went in the direction it did, THIS is still a great ep. Also I think the actor who played Captain Jones was in THE WAR GAMES................ :D


Corporal Jones was played by Michael Hawkins, who was later in Frontier in Space.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby LizR » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:04 am

I believe Warren Mitchell was also in that episode.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby StarQuake » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:05 am

I watched Death on the Rocks the other day. Great episode. Once again Steed is almost an antagonist in relation to Cathy rather than a partner, conning her into taking the job by arranging for her flat to be redecorated. Honor Blackman is really very good as Cathy, it's a pity she's been so eclipsed in the public eye by Diana Rigg's Mrs Peel (who is also wonderful, but in keeping with the style of the later series, much less believable).
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby LizR » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:50 am

LizR wrote:
bobmcpherson wrote:THE GOLDEN FLEECE.......utterly unique ep in the series in that it actually has something to say about a then current British societal problem.........namely the truly rotten way the country treated their soldiers under...I am assuming...the then Labor govt.

No, "The Golden Fleece" was broadcast on 7 December 1963, and the Conservatives had been in power for 12 years at that point.

Oh, and it's polite to use the correct spelling. The UK political party is called "Labour".
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby Servorobot » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:58 pm

LizR wrote:I believe Warren Mitchell was also in that episode.


He played Captain Jason.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby bobmcpherson » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:44 pm

LizR wrote:
bobmcpherson wrote:THE GOLDEN FLEECE.......utterly unique ep in the series in that it actually has something to say about a then current British societal problem.........namely the truly rotten way the country treated their soldiers under...I am assuming...the then Labour govt.

No, "The Golden Fleece" was broadcast on 7 December 1963, and the Conservatives had been in power for 12 years at that point.



I stand corrected then ...though the ep refers more than once to something that happened in 1959 and over here it is more akin to the actions a certain Party HERE would have done . Also this ep had a female co-scripter along with Marshall....which again is atypical so again this ep was a one off in many ways THOUGH still excellent.

There is also this amazing scene focusing on the wife of a murder victim that is essentially a monologue. Again a VERY different ep.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby bobmcpherson » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:49 pm

Captain Jason--whom I was referring to was played by Warren Mitchell whom I confused with the actor who played the Confederate/German officer from THE WAR GAMES so nix on that thought.

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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby bobmcpherson » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:53 pm

StarQuake wrote:I watched Death on the Rocks the other day. Great episode. Once again Steed is almost an antagonist in relation to Cathy rather than a partner, conning her into taking the job by arranging for her flat to be redecorated. Honor Blackman is really very good as Cathy, it's a pity she's been so eclipsed in the public eye by Diana Rigg's Mrs Peel (who is also wonderful, but in keeping with the style of the later series, much less believable).


In THE GOLDEN FLEECE after Gale realizes Steed has played her again, she starts throwing furniture at him...and YES Blackman is just excellent in this. She DESERVES FAR MORE CREDIT THAN SHE DOES.......since she essentially created the "type" that Rigg and others would play later
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby bobmcpherson » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:56 pm

FYI I write Labor because here Labour would be pronounced LaBOOR as in they are bores..so it is a reflexive thing. Same way we do not call are lawyers solicitors which are prostitutes here and do not get me on what you lot call cigarettes.

So remember. You may be there but I am here.

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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby Servorobot » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:42 pm

bobmcpherson wrote:Captain Jason--whom I was referring to was played by Warren Mitchell whom I confused with the actor who played the Confederate/German officer from THE WAR GAMES so nix on that thought.

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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby LizR » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:22 pm

bobmcpherson wrote:FYI I write Labor because here Labour would be pronounced LaBOOR as in they are bores..so it is a reflexive thing. Same way we do not call are lawyers solicitors which are prostitutes here and do not get me on what you lot call cigarettes.

So remember. You may be there but I am here.

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You should use names correctly. If you are talking about the Australian political party you should spell it "Labor" (even though that looks as though it should be pronounced "LAB-OR") because that's how they spell it. With the UK party you spell it "Labour" (even though it looks as though it should be pronounced "LABE-OR") because that's how they spell it.

Simple politeness, not to mention common sense.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby Servorobot » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:28 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t The Golden Fleece prove somewhat elusive to locate and was thought lost for a while?
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Postby LizR » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 pm

Servorobot wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t The Golden Fleece prove somewhat elusive to locate and was thought lost for a while?

I believe it was recovered by Jason and the Argonauts.
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Re: "The Avengers": Sixties UK Series

Postby Servorobot » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:43 pm

LizR wrote:
Servorobot wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t The Golden Fleece prove somewhat elusive to locate and was thought lost for a while?

I believe it was recovered by Jason and the Argonauts.


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