SERIES 12 SPOILERS

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The great thing about the TARDIS used to be that it was (more or less) impregnable. The assembled hordes of Genghis Khan and all that. That made it a safe haven, so kids could identify it as home - the place from which exploration started, and eventually, and after many adventures, they returned to for tea with lashings of ginger beer.

Now it seems every alien and its delivery boy can get in...
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LizR wrote:The great thing about the TARDIS used to be that it was (more or less) impregnable. The assembled hordes of Genghis Khan and all that.
To be fai, that always confused me.

Genghis Khan? That was him :P
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Servorobot wrote:This one’s for Braxiatel.

Probably only a spoiler if you think Chris Chibnall is the greatest living writer.

I'd soon call Scott Buck, Tom King, and Chris Terrio that before I ever declare Mr.Open Air that
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Zarius wrote:First glimpse of Lord Byron in Doctor Who ‘The Haunting of Villa Diodati'

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https://cultbox.co.uk/news/first-glimps ... la-diodati
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Me: f*ck OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFF!!!! :evil:
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Nightmare episode of Doctor Who will include an animated segment

https://cultbox.co.uk/news/nightmare-ep ... ed-segment
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Potential spoilers for Sunday's episode following the supposed leak of an advance review from The Mirror (which I can't find online just yet)

-The Eternals return, now Gods
-Grace approaches Graham in his dreams
-Yaz becomes more and more disillusioned with life aboard The TARDIS
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Here's the full review from the Metro (found on Apple app).
Doctor Who series 12 episode 7 review: Can You Hear Me? balances high-concept thrills with some much-needed character development After last week’s disappointing Praxeus, Can You Hear Me? blasts Doctor Who back to its best with a mixture of high-concept thrills and some much-needed character development for the TARDIS team. Considering Doctor Who is officially the longest-running sci-fi show of all time, you might be surprised to know that throughout its history, character development for the Doctor and their companions has been few and far between. Chris Chibnall, when he took over as showrunner from Steven Moffat, seemed determined to change that. Jodie Whittaker’s first stint in the TARDIS as the first-ever female Doctor was defined by its episodic structure that focused more on developing the personalities of Ryan (Tosin Cole), Yaz (Mandip Gill) and Graham (Bradley Walsh) over any story arcs. Series 12 has kicked this trend however, we’ve seen the return of some old enemies, the shocking introduction of a game-changing character and the enigma of the Timeless Child to contend with. Whilst this is all very exciting, one thing has suffered throughout the twelfth season and that was the previously solid character development of the Doctor’s ‘fam.’ Can You Hear Me? Goes some way remedy this, this is an episode of TV with a wacky, high-concept premise yet at its heart is some of the programme’s finest and most nimble character work since the halcyon days of Rose Tyler (Billie Piper). The plot of the episode is relatively easy to boil down; Ryan, Yaz and Graham go home to Sheffield to catch up with their family and friends, who are beset by strange nightmares, whilst the Doctor is pulled to ancient Syria to investigate some monsters. Somehow, these two events are connected (of course they are). Whilst at home, the TARDIS begin to realise that, despite their adventures with the Doctor taking place in an actual time machine, time is slipping away from them. Yaz’s distance saddens her sister, Ryan’s absence has alienated him from his friends and Graham becomes potently aware of his mortality following a cancer scare in his past. Mix this in with an immortal God (Game of Thrones’ Ian Gelder rocking some lovely robes and a scalp tattoo) feasting on humanity’s nightmares to release his partner in crime and we have a pretty great visual manifestation of the companions’ fears. Yaz wonders if her travels with the Doctor are enabling her to run away from her problems with no consequences, Ryan imagines his friends’ alienation with him akin to the Earth being destroyed and Graham is haunted (quite literally) by the ghost of his illness and grief. Doctor Who’s mythology – the history of its own universe – is rarely discussed and dissected beyond a few vague references over the years. The revelation that Gelder’s villain is an Eternal (no, not the Marvel heroes) shadowy figures from a by-gone age that were referenced in passing a few times by David Tennant, is genuinely thought-provoking in the way it so readily opens up the world of the show; now, not only aliens exist, but gods do too. And it’s classic Doctor Who to match this heady concept with some of its most robust character work in over two years. It shouldn’t work, yet somehow it does. Key Moments The almost David Lynch-esque dream sequences Bradley Walsh acting his little heart out in a touching reunion with Ryan’s grandmother Grace Mandip Gill’s Yaz finally getting the backstory she deserves Verdict As we move into the final endgame for season 12, Can You Hear Me? introduces and then mostly abandons its early ideas for a much more interesting deep-dive into some seriously high-concept notions that open up the universe of Doctor Who. Yet, all this is balanced with some of the show’s most adept and affecting character development of its central three companions, who are all becoming more and more disillusioned with life with the Doctor. It shouldn’t work…but it does. Doctor Who continues next Sunday on BBC One. Got a showbiz story? If you've got a celebrity story, video or pictures get in touch with the Metro.co.uk entertainment team by emailing us celebtips@metro.co.uk, calling 020 3615 2145 or by visiting our Submit Stuff page - we'd love to hear from you. MORE: Stephen King’s son Joe Hill suffered brutal rejection as Doctor Who writer MORE: Game of Thrones star joins Doctor Who for epic two-part finale as Jodie Whittaker faces the Cybermen
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Sounds like it might be OK, but then they often do. But this bit is bollocks...
you might be surprised to know that throughout its history, character development for the Doctor and their companions has been few and far between. Chris Chibnall, when he took over as showrunner from Steven Moffat, seemed determined to change that. Jodie Whittaker’s first stint in the TARDIS as the first-ever female Doctor was defined by its episodic structure that focused more on developing the personalities of Ryan (Tosin Cole), Yaz (Mandip Gill) and Graham (Bradley Walsh) over any story arcs.
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Cyber-Lords?

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Was there a picture from set of a new style cyberman in robes? I heard someone suggest this was a Timelord/Cyberman hybrid from the final but I've not seen it. The guy I talked to said he'd seen it but didn't have a link.

From what I recall most of the cybermen photos were from a distance and very blurry.
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Episode 8 | Next Time Trailer | The Haunting of Villa Diodati | Doctor Who: Series 12

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Another trailer

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A little part of me thinks that next week's subject matter verges on the adult. Or am I thinking too much of Ken Russell? As long as they keep the wine to a minimum and the opium out of the way, I suppose it'll be ok.
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Eddie of Skaro will be streaming tonight, Derick indicated he'll have spoilers.

He apparently couldn't make it on last night because he was 'fuming' at what happened in Can You Hear Me? (the Graham stuff in particular)
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From Anathema on GB
In a podcast, Mandip Gill is heavily hinting that she is finished working on Doctor Who. She mentioned auditioning for other jobs and says, "no-one knows" what will happen with Doctor Who but I really think she does.
Here's the podcast

https://rulenottheexception.simplecast. ... mandipgill
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Spoilers from Eddie tonight are just stuff we've already heard from doctorwho on GB, and today's recent news concerning Mandip having nothing to do after series 12 of Doctor Who...though Ed claims Mandip is carrying on through series 13, and is the only companion to be back.

But then he says that Yaz is actually a fob-watched Missy, who is caught and cyber-converted, then regenerates into Sascha's Master. He does state this could be bollocks, but it's from respected sources so...whatever. :?

He also says canon will mean a whole different thing after episode 12, that the original Doctors are the 'kelvin timeline', and Ruth's lineage is the 'correct one'
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From GB:
Some further thoughts from someone who used to work on the show:

They feel that the show is struggling to land endings and difficulty getting out of the stories they’ve set up.

Additionally they mentioned the Doctor isn’t leading the stories or generating them and the show is using too many big ideas but not being able to explore them adequately.
Regarding rumours of Doctor Who being made by someone else:

“It will never leave BBC Studios. They own it, it’s theirs and it’s one of their most profitable shows. So they won’t give that up. When it ends is up to others and various circumstances.”

Nothing is planned beyond Series 13 at this stage. “They don’t even know what they’re doing next year.“
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paulhickling wrote:A little part of me thinks that next week's subject matter verges on the adult. Or am I thinking too much of Ken Russell? As long as they keep the wine to a minimum and the opium out of the way, I suppose it'll be ok.
As long as it isn't "adult" like Torchwood... who was the showrunner on that???
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Are Ryan and Yaz leaving Doctor Who?

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020 ... it-theory/
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Zarius wrote:Are Ryan and Yaz leaving Doctor Who?

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020 ... it-theory/
I'm tempted to say "are they still in it? I hadn't noticed" - except that they actually got a reasonable amount of air time in the most recent episode.
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Zarius wrote:Are Ryan and Yaz leaving Doctor Who?

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020 ... it-theory/
And all I can say is this isn't a spoiler, but we haven't got a thread labelled 'Improver' have we?
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